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Thwips and Quips: Fandom of Fandoms and Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
What makes Spider-Man the most beloved and relatable superhero in the Marvel universe? In this episode, we swing into the expansive world of our friendly neighborhood wall-crawler with special guest and Spider-Man superfan Joe Lewis, who brings his encyclopedic knowledge of all things Spidey to the conversation.
The magic of Spider-Man lies in his accessibility – he's not a billionaire genius or a god from another realm, but rather an ordinary kid from Queens dealing with extraordinary circumstances. From Peter Parker's humble beginnings in the 1960s comics to the groundbreaking Spider-Verse films that have redefined superhero animation, we explore how this character has evolved while maintaining his core essence. Our discussion covers the pivotal creators who shaped Spider-Man's legacy, the fascinating origin of Miles Morales, and why the mantra "with great power comes great responsibility" resonates so deeply with fans.
Whether you're a lifelong fan who can quote every comic issue or someone who's only enjoyed the movies, this episode celebrates how Spider-Man brings together fans across all media. As we close out discussing upcoming Spider-Man projects, including the next installment of the Spider-Verse films and Tom Holland's next adventure featuring Daredevil and Punisher, one thing becomes clear – Spider-Man's relatability, humor, and heart ensure he'll continue captivating audiences for generations to come.
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well, gentlemen, welcome. I'm taking over for michael, since he is missing today. Um, for those of you who are joining us, for I mean, I mean obviously since the last time, but michael had his baby. Michael and dana had their baby 10 days ago. So congratulations to them, and we know you're gonna be listening at home and we miss you guys, but so, so happy for you. Yeah, absolutely yeah, we're definitely.
Speaker 3:uh, we're sad to not have him here and I know he's sad not to be here for Spider-Man for sure. But we're definitely excited to talk today and we've got a brand new guest and we'll get to that here in just a minute, but we've kind of already had a time to chat beforehand, so I know what Ben's been up to a little bit.
Speaker 1:I feel like we don't need a new question here.
Speaker 3:What's your favorite Spider-Man? We'll just go real quick like a rapid fire.
Speaker 1:Favorite Spider-Man? What movie? Sure movie, why not Movie Probably Into the Spider-Verse? It's got to be, I mean just the animation style is great. Yeah, or what's the second one? The second one's Across the Spider-Verse, across the Spider-Verse.
Speaker 3:That's I, should I should say Spider-Man three, just to make our guests mad Like oh, man Speaking of which?
Speaker 1:so our guest is Spider-Man, as you can see, aka Joe Lewis. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, let's, oh, wow, ok. Well, let's, let's go ahead and play our intro music and then we can we can get it started here and get things kicked off. Hello and welcome to fandom of fandoms, where every single episode we dive into the worlds that fans love the most. And this week we are super excited to be talking spider-man with our guest, joe lewis. Thank you so much for joining us. As we have referred to multiple times in this podcast, crazy uncle joe, so we're so glad, friend of the podcast, to have you on and uh, yeah, we're gonna have a good time talking spider-man for sure.
Speaker 3:So absolutely um, we always like. Well, do you want to? You want to kick us off on this next part?
Speaker 1:oh sure, yeah, absolutely. So. I mean, nick, what's your background knowledge in general of spider-man?
Speaker 3:yeah, uh. So I've seen like all of the live action movies. I've played a decent amount of the games over the the course of time that I've been alive. Um, I don't know, I've ever really gotten much into into the comic book universe very much so that's. I've never read a spider-man comic. I know it is, um, but I I love the character. It's not, sadly, it's not my favorite superhero. So you know, like it's not my, but I do love it a lot, lot and I get excited whenever there's a new Spider-Man coming out. So, but that's my background. What about you, ben? About?
Speaker 1:the same. Honestly. Yeah, I don't think I've played the newest Spider-Man game, but I think besides that I'm pretty up with the most of the Spider-Man media, although I know you like watch, like some of the Spider-Man animated stuff, especially like the one, uh, spidey and friends with, with your son.
Speaker 3:So I've not gotten to that one for sure, but yeah, it's, uh, it's fun, uh, for sure, we that's, and he, he requests it now, so like by name, it's kind of funny. I should have recorded him like saying spider-man, because it's kind of hilarious. Um, but he, he wants to to watch spidey and his amazing friends and um, it's good, like it's fine. It's no bluey, but you know I gotcha but what is good? Yeah, what is? There's not a lot, but that's why we got joe on in the first place.
Speaker 2:So joe is our comic especially expert, I know like I won't say well compared to us, especially, yeah, like having I think maybe I've read one or two and I couldn't even tell you which ones.
Speaker 1:They were just random ones I picked up over time. But uh yeah, that's, you are our spider-man expert, so we are so happy to have you on. Uh, joe's a good college friend of ours and you know he and his wife, who will be joining us for lord of the rings next episode. Um, yeah, they, they went to college with us and we don't get to see him very often, so we were super not enough.
Speaker 3:They're up there in toledo living that life yeah, the north farthing.
Speaker 2:Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1:but, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I think for this episode, though, like we're kind of I mean, this is really huge, there's a lot to talk about with spider-man because he has existed for a long time. I was gonna see if, if joe knew, like, do you know how long spider-man's been around?
Speaker 2:oh, man, uh, I want to say the 60s, but it might have been before then. I think at some point in the 60s is when Stan Lee and Jack Kirk created, developed.
Speaker 1:Yep, there we go. Sorry about that yeah you do have to kind of talk into it, but it's okay, you'll get used to it.
Speaker 3:The 60s man. Yeah, so that's, and we're kind of we didn't really limit it, like we kind of said for this conversation to kind of go all over the place. We were limiting it by going from all of.
Speaker 2:Marvel to Spider-Man. That was limiting enough. I was like if we're doing all Marvel, we're going to be like 10 hours.
Speaker 3:No, that's at least again like, especially where we're like when we started to get into it, we're like ah, that's a little too much, so let's just do spider-man. Well, we knew how much you had the the love of spider-man, I knew that was your.
Speaker 1:Your where your heart really was. Yes, in the marvel universe, for sure, oh yeah. So for those of our listeners who may be completely in the dark or may just not know a ton, can you tell us a little bit about spider-man and his personal origins? Obviously there's a lot of different iterations, but let's go with the classic Peter Parker.
Speaker 2:So classic Peter Parker, as it was originally written, was just your down on his luck, nerd. His parents based on or depending on which iteration you read died when he was very young and his Aunt, may and Uncle Ben Parker took him in. And when he was in high school he was on this field trip. And again, this kind of varies based on which iteration you follow. But he's on a field trip and he comes into contact with a radioactive spider that this science lab was doing tests on and the spider bites him and in the following 24 hours, excuse me uh, he starts to develop these spider-like powers, so he has strength proportional to a spider, um, so like crazy amounts of strength.
Speaker 2:He has the ability to climb walls, like with his hands they have like super suctioning or spider like not suctioning, I don't know. Um, and then again, this is where it kind of varies and they joke fun or poke fun are you talking about whether or not he actually had the ability to shoot webs?
Speaker 3:if he, creates it.
Speaker 2:Some of the iterations. He, with his brilliant scientific mind, creates these web shooters um and uh other iterations, like in the uh toby mcguire spider-man series.
Speaker 3:It just organically comes out is that not like the typical? Like that isn't the story that he had the ability to do it.
Speaker 2:In a lot of the comics that I have read, he develops the canisters himself he develops the technology that he puts under his glove, and so when he goes like tap, tap with his two middle fingers, uh, it activates this little button here and then that shoots out and it's this like very specific um web, like material. That's super, super strong so it can attach to skyscrapers and you do, uh like, thwip is the common name.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, the comic book language.
Speaker 2:Thwip release and then you know if you punch a bad guy it's Fatang.
Speaker 1:I don't know that. I've seen Fatang before. That's a new one. It's less common.
Speaker 2:So yeah, Stan Lee has said in multiple interviews that he was one of the most relatable superheroes because he was a kid who didn't come with a lot of wealth, was always down on what they call the Parker luck, where just things don't go right for him, and at the time when he was first created, this was unheard of. Like this was oh what do you? You mean like he's not super rich, he's not like super, hyper powerful.
Speaker 2:It was like no, this was like a kid from queens who like got bit by a spider. And now he's like okay, I have spider powers, but throughout every iteration of Spider-Man he has this internal battle of okay, I have these powers, these great powers, but with those powers I have the responsibility of using them appropriately, so responsibly, one might even say.
Speaker 1:I feel like there's a quote, maybe I don't know I mean mean. So one of the biggest thing is, like he's classically in most iterations at least that I know of a teenager right like yeah, or very young, at least like just out of high school or in high school, like yeah, that sort of generation, but yeah, a lot of it.
Speaker 2:Um, I know so. I grew up watching the animated Spider-Man series that Fox put out. That now, for the first time ever, is on streaming because Disney bought Fox. Yeah, on Disney+. Check it out. Same with Spud.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. Are you working for them? What's that?
Speaker 3:Have you watched the new Spider-Man animated series? I want to.
Speaker 2:Not yet the one that's like in conjunction with a Spider-Man homecoming and all that I don't know.
Speaker 3:Is it supposed to go together? I know it's the newest one that's came out. They've got, I think, eight or ten episodes. Okay, no, I was thinking now anyways friendly neighborhoods it's yes, friendly neighborhood spider-man. That is what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah but no, so that animated series. He's like college age, um, and toby mcguire one was a joke because he's supposed to be a senior in high school. But, him and all of his fellow high schoolers.
Speaker 1:Tobey Maguire is like in his 30s, or something like that.
Speaker 2:It's inception. He is in high school high school, but a lot of the stories like to portray him as a little bit older, so that you know he's more like advanced in his honing of the skills of spider-man. You know there's some of the more recent um uh waves of the comics. He is like well in his 30s and he's got his own business, parker industries like his lab, and he developed stuff. So yes, initially I think he was written as this high schooler that came into these powers. But I think since that original concept, most people don't really focus on that as much now some of the newer movies, like homecoming um.
Speaker 2:This is its own thing in and of itself, but different iterations of spider-man wanted to set themselves apart. So, other than toby mcguire fake high school they hadn't really done a whole lot of him believably being in high school, and tom holland was the first one that was actually in high school when he was cast as high school spider-man and so um, it's a place that, if you're gonna sell or tell the um origin story, that's where it begins. Yeah, but most people want to see beyond that.
Speaker 3:Like well, that's a wild thing too, because, like the story has been told so many times and they, like I feel like spider-man's origin story has changed many more times almost than most other, like heroes out there I mean yeah they're.
Speaker 3:They've all been retold many times and there's been changes made. But, like I don't know, spider-man just has so many different versions and he's really where I feel like the. I mean, I feel like the multiverse is kind of like centered around the character of spider-man and all these different iterations of them and I don't know, I don't know if he's the one that originally like spawned from or not, but like I just I feel like there's more versions of his story and I mean miles, morales. I don't know when he was originally introduced, but that was you'd see here.
Speaker 2:I know you might know really cool story about miles morales. I don't know if there's any community fans out there I absolutely love that show. There is an episode in I think I don't know like third or fourth season, where donald glover is wearing a spider-man oh community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely sorry. I thought you meant like spider-man community. Oh yes, absolutely community, because they were going to cast he was trying to be cast as spider-man of community. Yeah yeah, absolutely sorry. I thought you meant like spider-man community. Oh yes, absolutely community, because they were going to cast.
Speaker 2:He was trying to be cast as spider-man from what I remember like yeah yes but here's the thing the person who first developed and created miles morales, spider-man saw that episode and he said what if there was a black spider-man?
Speaker 1:and so that episode of community so donald donald glover spawned miles morales essentially exactly.
Speaker 2:Love that really donald glover had petitioned to be in more and more spider-man related things because he knew that that was the case, and so so miles morales, is that recent, like it was only like in the last, like like last 20 years, 20 years, yeah, wow absolutely um and um. I think one of his first comics, if not the first comic. It was like miles, morales and obama brand new day, so it was a little on the nose, but uh he the way that they created him.
Speaker 2:At first glance, some people may have thought like okay, you're trying too hard, he's biracial like hispanic yeah, and black and it's just like okay, but the way that they portray it in the comics, but also especially in the spider verse movies, is such a cool amalgamation of. This is what these two cultures, blended, uh, can look like. This is what each of those two cultures adds to the person. That is, miles, morales, and it is a portrayal that you know wasn't very commonly featured I'm just surprised to learn that it was this recent I didn't realize that it was only that recent that Miles Morales came into being, and when was his first on-screen performance?
Speaker 3:It?
Speaker 1:wasn't across the Spider-Verse, was it? And Thinking of the. Spider-verse was the first. Yeah, I mean he was in.
Speaker 2:Some animated stuff probably, but nobody. It wasn't the focal point Exactly. Some animated stuff probably, but, like he, nobody yeah, it wasn't the focal point exactly, yeah.
Speaker 3:I feel like he was in a game before that though the Spider-Man game came out with PS4.
Speaker 2:He was a side character. Now I can't remember if that preceded into the Spider-Verse.
Speaker 1:Around the same time. I'd have to look it up.
Speaker 2:Because they actually teased Spider-Man 2 video game across the Spider-Verse. They're playing footage from it, which is funny.
Speaker 3:Wow, that is interesting.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, he's much more of a recent establishment to the Spider, the spider family very interesting.
Speaker 1:Wow, well, joe, since you obviously know so much about it, why don't you tell us a little bit about what got you into spider-man, like, uh, like, did you start with comics? Yeah, what's your origin?
Speaker 2:story. So yeah, I could not tell you what initially got me into comics. When I was I don't know eight or nine, we lived really close to Half Price Books. That was like kind of Dublin area off Selmill Road. There was an old dollar theater carriage place over there.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And I would go over there and buy comics, mostly Spider-Man comics, and you know, maybe it was just watching the cartoons, maybe somebody had given me a comic, I don't really remember but it was something that I felt really drawn to it and my parents loved to bring this up. But like I had this cheap kid Spider-Man costume when I was I don't know seven or eight and I would put it on and my parents would be like, oh, joey or Spider-Man, you just missed Joey.
Speaker 2:And so then I would go and change into my normal clothes and like oh joey, you just missed spider-man, and they would do this for like 45 minutes because it was easy way to occupy weird adhd joe at like 78 years old oh yeah so it was something that I just naturally sort of was like this is awesome, I love this character. And you know, as years progressed there were other interests in superheroes, like I really love Batman, but nothing nearly as strong as my affinity for Spider-Man Awesome yeah.
Speaker 1:So the comics it sounds like mostly, then like, and then reinforced by other media, I'm sure, but oh, yeah, so it started as the comics, the watching the cartoons when I was growing up.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, uh, once movies came out now I was a huge fan and I still have this on my original playstation the there was a spider-man playstation game yep and it wasn't associated with any of the movies it was just called spider-man, and it still holds up man well, and especially the original playstation, yeah, and I remember like maybe
Speaker 1:ps2 it was ps1 and n64 and then at pc too but I remember, like the, the traversal was kind of groundbreaking to like able to swing like that and be as free as you could be. There weren't any other games out there like that and the city was pretty big from what I remember.
Speaker 2:but yeah, and they have cheats that are like what if mode? Oh gosh, it's so funny.
Speaker 1:Something I miss is being in cheats.
Speaker 3:Dude, those were classic games. I can definitely remember playing the definitely so I didn't have a playstation but I had a ps2 and I remember the ps2. Uh, spider-man games. They made so many of them. There were so many spider-man games on ps2. I feel like and ps3 too.
Speaker 2:There's tons and tons.
Speaker 3:I haven't even of course it is a sony property, so that would make sense, but like that was just, I feel like they found this like mold and they're like all right, we're going to keep on coming back to this and milk it for all it's worth.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, I mean there's like comics, video games, cartoons, you name it. There's been so the different iterations, the evolutions of Spider-Man, how it's portrayed I I think most recently the into this Spider-Verse, the Spider-Verse movies has been one of the best examples of let's give this canvas to an artist and just let them go wild.
Speaker 2:And it is beyond my wildest dreams, like I didn't know you could do this like this is the one thing that I think these spider-verse movies have over any other spider-man movie is they're not limited to what they can do with live actors yeah, they're just like we can do whatever we want and I'm just like man, this is so cool and you know sony had a real rough batch of trying to make spider-man movies that unfortunately we're making a lot of money.
Speaker 2:I won't say that they're necessarily bad. I won't say that I even dislike most of them we'll save that for the hot, but it's uh.
Speaker 3:They struck gold with this. They were like, yeah, can I, can I? I'm gonna confess something to you guys. I only just recently watched the across the spider verse movie oh man and can I tell you how frustrated I was when I got to the end in the cliffhanger that was sitting there and I'm just like now I've got to wait. I was immediately like, oh, when's the next one coming out?
Speaker 2:and it's not coming out for like a couple more yeah, imagine watching it when it first came out and you're like great, maybe two more years. And then you're like nope, I was gonna say because it's been out now.
Speaker 3:For what? Three years, two years, I think two yeah, let's not be that.
Speaker 1:I know right, michael, here my phone is being used to record so I can't look it up.
Speaker 2:But no, I didn't bring my computer over, so yeah um, yeah, I mean so that the most frustrating thing was and I don't know if some of it was related to their filming the newest live action, spider-man with tom holland now, um, and sony and disney still have like a weird sort of agreement where they're like you can use spider-man, we have the rights until disney by sony, until disney by sony by anybody, but, but, um, so, but I had read an article, like back in december, where some of the voice actors were like for the spider verse movies, like yeah, we haven't even contacted to record lines. But I just saw a posting by shamik moore, who voices miles morales and the other gentleman whose name I'm blanking on, who plays um evil, miles morales or earth uh 626, I think um, and they're like yep, we started recording.
Speaker 3:So hey all right, nice, it may not be 2027 but you know it's in progress they're working on it, at least that's good.
Speaker 1:Oh well, joe, why don't we tie it back to you and your story with Spider-Man? What is it about Spider-Man that you feel like you've been attracted to over other superheroes even Because I know you've mentioned you like other superheroes as well but why Spider-Man over? Batman or Superman or anyone else, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean I think because of how stanley created him, like he is the most grounded, relatable superhero. You've got a guy who nothing really special about him. He was a nerd, like he was smart, but like he got picked on, he got beat up and even once he got his superpowers, he's still very fallible. He was like oh shoot, I chose to get this guy or get back at this guy at the expensive another guy going and killing my uncle ben like.
Speaker 2:He's a guy that makes mistakes. He's a guy that, even with these powers, is still trying to resist the temptation to abuse them, to for his own benefit, for his own gain, and like he even feels guilty at times of being like I, peter parker, this photographer. I'm setting up a camera to take pictures of spider-man, but that's also the only way I can make money yeah, kind of like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, unethically taking photos of himself and taking credit for it, but like yeah no, I uh, I was just thinking like, as you were talking about that, you're kind of right. I never really put a lot of thought into how relatable Spider-Man is, especially when you look at him and stack him up against other superheroes. But there's a lot of truth to that. I mean, I guess when you go into some of the other Marvel characters, especially, I think, x-men and stuff like that there's some of that there, but that's like the mutant ability they couldn't control it. I don't know. I just that I've never really thought about it in that perspective that you just shared.
Speaker 1:For sure, that's kind of what I was getting at before too, like with him being a teenager.
Speaker 1:You can see him like a coming of age in multiple ways and, like you're saying, like coming to terms with the fact that he has these powers now and he should do something with them and, like you were saying, getting used to, like how to use them, when to use them, etc. Like figuring all that out, like you get to go along on that story with them. I also really love like, especially the tom holland version where, like again like his first appearance in uh, captain america, civil war right, like where he's just like starstruck, essentially like holy cow.
Speaker 2:Like what am I?
Speaker 1:doing here with these guys like, and again like a super relatable like I'm just like a normal person, like now I'm here with these superheroes which and again like a super relatable like I'm just like a normal person, like now I'm here with these superheroes which. You don't really see that from any of the other. Everyone else is just like, oh yeah, we're all superheroes or whatever. But he's like whoa, you guys are so cool.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, yeah, so, yeah, the way that they wrote that into of like the reality in the real world of spider-man gets to play with the avengers now yeah and now like tom holland's iteration of spider-man's, like whoa, this is so cool, this is awesome. It's like I know we, as the nerdy fans, are like in the same mindset.
Speaker 2:Like that was as weird and nerdy as this sounds like a very emotional moment for like when he swings in and he's like all right, dunker, or uh whatever under ruse, yeah, and you're just like oh my gosh, this is finally like all my hopes and dreams have come to fruition because spider-man is fighting with the avengers and I was just like man. This is so cool. So, like all of us, like our inner nerds are like yeah yeah because it finally happened.
Speaker 3:Yes, Well, I'm going to, I'm going to take us into a different part of the show. We always like to go with a like a starter pack. So, you know, in our, in your expert opinion, since you are our expert here today, if you had to start someplace with Spider-Man like where is the best place to start, because there is so much media surrounding Spider-Man, where do you think is, like, the best place to start, because there is so much media surrounding Spider-Man? Where do you think is the best place for newcomers to start?
Speaker 2:Man. So if you want, I mean they've got these huge compilations of the original comics and you could go off of that. My biggest exposure to it other than the odd comic here and there was the animated series which kind of lays the groundwork of like this is his origin. Here are the different villains um, if you want book wire or like comic books, um, there are a lot of really cool. I mean you could read the originals there. Some people might be like, okay, this is cool to read the original, it doesn't. It's not as entertaining as maybe it was like 50 years ago.
Speaker 3:Well, what would you say would be like the best series that you've read, if you're talking comic books so, oh, man, there are some of the more recent, the amazing spider-man series.
Speaker 2:It's had several different iterations, but that's sort of what's considered the base canon, sure? Um. So, uh, I think his name is john romero. He was one of the more recent writers that had contributed a lot to those. And the cool thing about with each different writer and animator in the comics, they all pretty much stick to the same basic formula and then have some creative license to be like, oh, but what if the rhino was actually this or what have you? So the amazing spider-man as the base kind of comic um, one of my favorite ever comics that spider-man is in is called the spider-man blue, and the dynamic duo of artists, writers, jeff lobe and tim sally uh, beautiful artwork and, um, the writing is absolutely phenomenal.
Speaker 3:They did a couple that was called spider-man blue spider-man blue yep, and keep that in my mind. I'm gonna have to go check that one out it.
Speaker 2:Uh, it goes through the story that a lot of people are even loosely familiar with of peter parker and gwen stacy, who is his initial love interest and it you know them falling in love in high school and um, at one point spoiler alert, this has been out for you know, 60 some years, so uh, closer to 80, I guess.
Speaker 2:Spoiler alert noise for our yeah, yeah, right um, green goblin finds out that peter parker is spider-man, he kidnaps gwen stacy and he throws her off a building. And Spider-Man shoots his web to try to save Gwen. And while the web clings to her, uh, she was so far down that it snaps her spinal cord and she dies so it's like he forever feels guilt for that, even though it was green goblin. And then green goblin is sort of like his joker equivalent of like this maniacal mad person.
Speaker 2:That would be the person to drive him to kill, if it ever got to that point and you say this hat.
Speaker 3:So this was. When did this story or when did this series come out?
Speaker 2:um, so the the spider-man blue spider-man blue is sort of like a one-off um. That came out, I want to say, in the early 2000s, but um, it's very, um distinguishable, like the artwork. It is a big blue cover and, um, it's got him with this blue background and it's the way that it's told, because it tells that story, but from the uh perspective of peter parker, you know 30 years in the future and he's in a voice recorder talking to deceased gwen stacy and he's in his attic and at the end of the comic like he's reliving all of this and it's kind of like therapeutic for him and at the end of it.
Speaker 2:I don't want to spoil anything, um. So it's so this sounds pretty dark is. It's dark, but it's a cool retelling of this classic Spider-Man story. Like one of the like pinnacle catalyst moments in Spider-Man's life.
Speaker 3:Was that so I got to get? I got a clarification on this here. So is that the case? Like Gwen, stacy was the original love interest of Spider-Man, not MJ? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:Gwen Stacy and then her death was devastating and Spider-Man slash, peter Parker got super depressed and then MJ and her family lived in the same neighborhood next to the Parkers and they, like were aware of each other, went to high school together, but it wasn't until after high school that they sort of kind of hit it off um, and so she also went to the high school with peter and gwen, but they weren't really in the same circles, depending on which comic you read.
Speaker 2:But um, mj is like years after gwen okay but gwen was the original love interest I didn't know that.
Speaker 3:Well, that's a good I. You got a question. I think you wrote for this one, right the? So which of spider-man's love interests do you think was the or is the best fit for him? Oh man depends on the iteration.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, sure, yeah yeah, so man, his, his love with gwen stacy is so pure and beautiful and every way that it's portrayed I'm just like man. I love this. Mj is the most well known yeah mj is peter at his prime. He's got a good handle of his powers. He's become much more confident who he is and MJ is his rock. Her classic catchphrase is go get them tiger. So she's always in his corner, except when she's not, and other stuff.
Speaker 3:But for the most part I was going to say part some of the stories. What don't they?
Speaker 2:they have, uh, don't have, marital troubles in one of the yeah, the iterations, but in generally most of the comics you know she's there and some of the comics they're married. They have little baby girl, mayday parker. I've got a little funko pop of her.
Speaker 3:It's really cute I was gonna say the baby's in uh across the spiderverse right with one of the older versions of peter parker, yeah, um, but uh, mj is what I would say is his best.
Speaker 2:But if gwen stacy would have stayed alive? And there's a really cool storyline called house of m, where there's an alternate universe where she doesn't, she doesn't die ben parker's still alive he has kids with uh gwen stacy. It's very much like a what if? Sort of thing um so it's like.
Speaker 3:The confusing part for me is that like isn't there also another iteration where gwen stacy does become the the ghost spider? Like that's another one of the yeah, the mini iterations.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I mean, this is the multiverse, I know it is why, again, we could.
Speaker 3:We could go on for a long time about all these.
Speaker 1:So okay, before we go, we're gonna take a break here in a minute, but before we take a break, let's hear we. There's another thing we'd like to do is if you were to give an elevator pitch for why someone should get interested in spider-man and the fandom again. We're assuming out here there's people who don't have never heard of spider-man and like don't know much of his backstory and stuff like that. What would your quick little elevator pitch be for someone to get into you?
Speaker 3:could address the camera if you want to comics books.
Speaker 1:You want to talk directly. They're everywhere, they're everywhere.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I said it before, but Spider-Man is a very down-to-earth, relatable character and if you're looking for something a little bit more grounded in, like man, nobody can relate to Superman, nobody can be the you know wealthy billionaire philanthropist that is Batman or Iron man. And, like Peterer, spider-man's just your down-to-earth guy and next to deadpool, he is the best at like the one-line quips, the thwips and the quips, as they say like he is hilarious and his whole thing is like I say something funny to I know I was laughing at ben's face, sorry, somebody had to like throw something up, but like he's
Speaker 2:hilarious. He's a pure of heart and he's absolutely hilarious and he I don't know he's a cool collab with any other superhero that he's with. Like, he's one of the few pure of heart, just solid guys. That's it very rarely is. This is a dark and depressing read sure yeah but yeah, I love spider-man, he's the best awesome, love it.
Speaker 1:That's a good, really appreciate that Especially ending right there on that button Like yeah, great. So we're going to take a quick little break and we'll come back and we'll jump into like some more deep fan culture, your hot takes and some stuff like that.
Speaker 3:But yeah, we'll be right back all right, we got the sounds of spidey and his amazing friends and we are back still with our good friend joe. We've been talking about spider-man. We'll go ahead and jump into the next part of our conversation. We like to talk about fandom culture a lot in this show. Um. So one of the first things we always like to ask is, outside of the, the standard fair of comics and movies and things like. Because I guess, what can we call it a standard fair?
Speaker 1:I guess because there's so much, but it varies from our fandom, of fandom, but this one obviously covers a lot already.
Speaker 3:But so this one we're kind of like. Outside of movies and comics are there. Is there other spider-man content that you enjoy? Could be social media.
Speaker 2:Things could be other things that are related to spider-man that aren't necessarily movies or comic books yeah, I mean I, so I haven't done anything with this, but I take pictures of spiders anytime. I see a really cool spider and I'm going to create an instagram account that's called peter four and it's like an appreciation of spiders that I just see like there's a huge one in our backyard that's made this elaborate web, but I love that as weird as this sounds.
Speaker 2:Uh, getting into spider-man has actually created a newfound appreciation for spiders, partly because at one point I hoped that, like, if I got bit by one, I would get Spider-Man powers. But sure, as you do, there is also just really funny, like Instagram accounts that are just weird Spider-Man with zero context and it's just like lines that you're just like oh, what is this white liquid that's seeping from his door?
Speaker 1:and you're like it's spider fluid of course it is but like well, yeah, yeah, and I mean one of the most famous memes of all time the three spider-man pointing at each other. Just yeah, like oh, yeah came from out of nowhere, like yeah very meme worthy.
Speaker 2:Um, it's to the point that in, uh, the last tom holland spider-man movie, no way home.
Speaker 3:They've really fed into it they repeated the memes very much to like fan service, but it it worked and it was hilarious well, here's one that I know for sure that you're into was the uh, because I know I've seen it at your house before. I know you've got the Daily Bugle Lego sets. I'd say that's a piece of content that's not attached to the movies and stuff.
Speaker 2:It took me. You know I would spend maybe 30 minutes here, 30 minutes there, about three months to put it together, wow yeah, that is a while he. But it is glorious, like before I had a kid. I was like this is my pride and joy. And then I had a kid and I was like I'm not allowed to say that anymore.
Speaker 3:But see joe would have been you. You would have been a great guest to have on for lego as well, because I know you are also just as passionate as Michael and Ben are about LEGO.
Speaker 2:Listen hashtag LEGO building party 2. Yeah, trick boogaloo, it's going to happen.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I love that. So why don't we dive into like? We started to touch on it a little bit and I know within this fandom there's got to be a lot of hot takes. So, like, what are some of your hot takes?
Speaker 2:I know we were kind of talking about it before we started rolling, but like okay, so we'll start with which is your favorite Spider-Man movie? Wise actor, wise, I mean. So what I will always say is Tobey Maguire was a great Peter Parker, andrew Garfield was a phenomenal spider-man. Tom holland is the best of both, nice I like looking at that one andrew garfield is not a believable nerdy, peter parker yeah, you can't have a skateboarding punk peter parker. That just doesn't exist what about? Spider-punk.
Speaker 3:He was too pretty boy, honestly.
Speaker 2:And Tom Holland. Amazing Tobey Maguire, amazing Spider-Man. You cannot be a 30 year old Portraying a senior in high school, or he was, I mean, super nerd.
Speaker 2:He did that really well, but he also had the quips Like he as Spider-Man Awesome. I mean super nerd. He did that really well. But he also had the quips Like he as Spider-Man awesome. But the age gap made it a little less believable and he was still relatively early on in his career. I feel like some of his performance was a little dry. But Tomlland, like is the right age and you could just tell from his first time on screen like he loves being in this role, he the actor, and he just has that energy, that just passion that comes off on screen and you're just like he is made for this part and he is by far, I think, the best portrayal of spider-man that has been portrayed on screen. Like he is just absolutely agreed.
Speaker 3:Man see, I didn't think it was going to be that big of a see.
Speaker 1:That wasn't that bad of a hot take you made it sound like you had a controversial opinion. This is not controversial.
Speaker 3:I actually agree 100% with everything you just said. For sure I got a fun fact for you. Did you know that in the first Spider-Man movie, when they are in the cafeteria and the whole entire situation happens where it's the first time that Peter Parker is feeling his spidey senses, whatever and he catches the tray of food and the things land on it? That is real.
Speaker 2:That happened Like they filmed that and it took.
Speaker 3:I don't remember how many takes it took, but they had to do it a number of times to get it right.
Speaker 2:They they did some things with, like the speed of it.
Speaker 1:He actually did. Yeah, he did catch all those.
Speaker 2:He did, yes, he actually did catch all those. He did, yes, and it also has a very young.
Speaker 3:Oh gosh, of course I'm going to blank on his name.
Speaker 2:The guy that plays Flash is like a beast of a man in real life who's married to Sofia Vergara, and I'm blanking on his name Joe Manganiello. Yeah, that's a young Joe Manganiello as Flash Thompson in the first Spider-Man movie.
Speaker 1:Wow, I did not know that I'll have to go back.
Speaker 3:I didn't know that either. He's still pretty ripped there. He's a big guy.
Speaker 2:But yeah, no, I think most people would agree Tom Holland's the best.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:I love Andrew Garfield's Spider--man, but not as peter parker. I think andrew garfield also came with that passion. Like with the one-liners, he's phenomenal, and toby mcguire is what I grew up on when it came to on-screen performances yeah so it's like I will hold him in a high regard. But I've also seen other iterations and know what it could have been yeah, well to be fair, to be fair, to be fair.
Speaker 3:Uh, you know the. So think about it. When the first spider-man movie came out, that was like the. I mean people say the Iron man started like the, the whole entire movie, like the, the superhero movie movement. I guess Really it was before that for sure. And obviously I mean there was Batman movies during the 90s and stuff like that. But like, really, really I, when I think about the start, I think about that first Spider-Man movie in 2001. And then that was almost like a shoot.
Speaker 2:We can make a bunch of money doing this like now we're gonna do this a million more times well, and the funny backstory with that is marvel in the late 90s, early 2000s is on the verge of just going completely bankrupt I believe that, and so well, that was why they sold spider-man to son that was why they sold the X-Men to Fox. Exactly Like all of that.
Speaker 3:And then they made those movies and made all this money and Marvel's like what.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which just exploded, the comic sales gave them much more of like the revenue to be like oh okay, now people are interested in this again, and then that fed back into like material that they could put into movies and inspiration, which is just super cool.
Speaker 3:It is really cool.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's something that might be a controversial opinion that I want to hear your thoughts on. Okay, do you have any different thoughts about people who are just into like, let's say, the movies, like, do you still consider them fans if they don't touch the comics or anything outside of typical streamlined movies?
Speaker 2:It's hard for me to judge I so. I myself would consider myself a huge lord of the rings fan, but I've never read the lord of the rings books. I for that reason, I love the rings of power. People who read the books and are familiar with a lot of the literary works of Tolkien can't unpair what was written versus their creative license for how they did stuff.
Speaker 2:So for somebody who just watched the Spider-Man movies and are entertained by that and love the character because of that, I'm not one to judge that. In my opinion I'm like oh, but there is so much more. And if the movies work as a gateway to you wanting to like learn more about spider-man and branch out to like comics, slash graphic novels or like cartoons or lego sets, whatever, like, who am I to say it should?
Speaker 2:be limited, or like cartoons or lego sets, whatever like who am I to say it should be limited? Or like you're only a fan if you partner in the movies with the comics or own.
Speaker 3:You know the 350 daily beagle lego set or that is what makes the fan right there. Obviously, high five up top. You're not gatekeeping no yeah, that's the kind of fan I like to see.
Speaker 1:This is probably the thing we've covered, the topic we've covered that spans the most media in general. So to hear that at least you feel that way and I hope that's my hope for all the fans out there that you can participate in part of this no matter what, and still be a fan and no one will look down at you, but yeah no, glad to hear that we do talk about that a lot on the show for sure.
Speaker 3:Like just that idea of oh you gotta do this it's like no, you don't like that's the whole entire point. Like we're, you can enjoy the pieces of it that you want to enjoy and not partake the other parts that like. Whatever the reason is like, so I personally, I I don't think I've ever I told you I haven't read a comic book before for Spider-Man but I get so excited when a new movie comes out, like when Tom Holland's next movie comes out. I can't wait, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I will say, I guess, to add to that it doesn't anybody who's passionate about Spider-Man I'm going to bond with. Yeah, anybody who's passionate about spider-man I'm gonna bond with yeah. I have a couple people in my life that I know are at the same level, if not more so, passionate about spider-man than I am. So I will like find an obscure reference or be like oh hey, did you see this tease for the next spider-man movie? That's going to like kind of parallel the storyline of this Spider-Man comic and they'll get it right away, and be like, oh yeah, because they know all the different mediums of Spider-Man and what it could allude to and so I have that bond with them.
Speaker 2:That is at a different kind of level, because we're both very familiar with the source material, but I also, being a movie enthusiast, can go into a conversation with a friend who just loves the Spider-Man movies and I'd be like, oh gosh, yeah, I loved how they portrayed this, I loved how that portrayed that, and they're like, well, what is it like in the comics? And then that sometimes will prompt a conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:This is actually what happens in the comics. It's really cool, but I also see how that may not have played well over in an onscreen adaptation. So awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, why don't we dive into some of our like Q and a stuff here? I want to start off with a question We've talked a lot a little bit about like some of Spider-Man's abilities and whether or not he actually can shoot webs on his own. But like if you had to have one of spider-man's abilities which would you choose, like spidey sense is web flinging, wall climbing.
Speaker 3:What do you think?
Speaker 2:you could only have one right, yeah, it would 100 be the web slinging. I, for most, if not all of my adult life, I will like, if I'm in a downtown area, I like find myself just going like and I'll look. I'll look at things with angles of like oh man, look at this cathedral, how cool would it be if I could just and like swing through there and like that's just how my mind works like we were in costa rica during my study abroad at mount Vernon, and I would just be like, and I would just be like, and so like that.
Speaker 2:There's even like the worship team at the church that I play on, there's, uh, somebody in the high school group that plays auxiliary drums, and so she's in the back and I, as a bass player, obviously I'm in the back, and so sometimes between sets or between songs, like I'll lean back and she'll the back and I, as a bass player, obviously I'm in the back.
Speaker 2:And so sometimes between sets or between songs, like I'll lean back and she'll lean back and I'm just so that I I've always imagined what it would be like to like just swing through the air and but also with the confidence of like, I've got this this is second nature Like that would just be exhilarating of like I've got this, this is second nature, like that would just be exhilarating.
Speaker 1:Okay, this brings me into a follow-up question that I was thinking about I was, we were preparing for this. How do you think spider-man would function in a city without skyscrapers?
Speaker 3:and tall buildings so I feel like there's been videos made about that.
Speaker 2:I mean he would be very much out of his element. I you know it would have to be like you know you, you accommodate to the environment that you're in so it's just like all right, you're not in a big city, there's farmland everywhere um okay, so spider tractor you gotta get creative, and so it's like that's why it's ended up with so many different powers, right, yeah, I?
Speaker 2:mean he and he's one too that he'll partner with people around him that are in. You know, play to their strengths. So if he is like, all right, here I am in smallville kansas yep cross reference you know he's not gonna be like, well, I'm gonna just do everything like I normally would like.
Speaker 2:No, he'd find somebody in the area and he his intellect and his like genius uh, levels of intelligence can go anywhere so he's not one that like is limited to just his brute strength and his spider abilities he'll, you know, do not necessarily detective work, but he can think his way through like, okay, this is with this and this is with that, and that's how we catch this guy. Um so, yeah, it would, it'd be weird, but he figured out.
Speaker 1:So now I'm picturing like someone coming out to a farm in the middle of nowhere and there's just webs from tree to tree to tree to tree and everyone's like what happens? Don't ask, yeah, I got a good one for you.
Speaker 3:So we haven't really talked a whole lot about because, over the course of especially the comic books, spider-man has teamed up with a variety of of characters. Um, who's your favorite team up in the Spider-Man universe?
Speaker 2:It is a no-brainer. They finally released the collection on tradeback. The Spider-Man, deadpool is amazing. These are the two Marvel characters who are best known for their one-liners yeah and them together is hilarious. But it's also like deadpool is super crass and he, like you know, doesn't hold back and he kind of wants to like corrupt spider-man. And then spider-man's like dude, we don't do it like that, but like also we're fighting against the same bad guys, but like can you tone it down a little bit?
Speaker 3:and deadpool's like nah, screw you, man, let's keep doing this and, uh, I mean it's, it's just hilarious what do you think the chances are of the marvel cinematic universe bringing those two together? I feel like that'd be a here's here.
Speaker 2:My, I don't know if it's a hot take, but this is the only way that I could see Deadpool doing something with the Avengers, and it's an end credit scene. That's pretty much it. Now, there is a hilarious storyline this is a little bit of a tangent, but it's deadpool kills. The marvel universe is a hilarious one-off storyline and I could see this like at the end of um avengers, doomsday or secret wars, just there being like this end credit scene where all the heroes are dead and you just see deadpool like blowing a smoking gun and be like well, it's all about me.
Speaker 3:They did bring deadpool and wolverine yeah maybe there's hope for a deadpool spider-man like it would be amazing that'd be.
Speaker 2:That'd be pretty awesome I love it, but I also think that something like that may be limited to an animated thing. I mean don't get me wrong Ryan Reynolds and Tom Holland.
Speaker 1:That would be a fun combo to watch.
Speaker 2:It would be so cool and Reynolds is invested in it. He'll do it as long as he can.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely. I don't think anyone else could play Deadpool at this, this point, like I mean, he's just so iconic with the instrumental in getting it well yeah absolutely like he made it happen, did you so?
Speaker 3:well with that. This is a follow-up for you. So if you could so not as much as the team up, but if you could mash up spider-man's powers with another superhero, who would you go with like? Would it be spider-man wolverine, spider-man doctor? Strange oh man.
Speaker 2:So ah, that's tricky uh, yeah it's a I think um nightcrawler
Speaker 1:okay, oh, that'd be cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so little teleports from here to there and like like and he's, so his focus is a little bit more of like this uh, conservative catholic upbringing and that um is a lot of who, um uh. Why am I blanking on the character's actual name, kirk Fogner? Kirk Fogner, I'm so excited to see him reprise his role in the next.
Speaker 1:Yeah, alan Cummings, yeah, alan.
Speaker 2:Cummings. I was like I'm blanking on his name, but I think that would be a really cool mashup of like their fighting style would probably like.
Speaker 1:It would blend. Well together.
Speaker 3:Oh absolutely.
Speaker 2:But then to see spider-man like um in in some of the comics.
Speaker 3:They always the sound that it makes when um nightcrawler like poofs is bamf yeah, yeah, bamf bamf and uh, bamf and flip, and but the tang like yeah, yeah, I mean all the sounds back to the adam west pow bang comic book sound
Speaker 1:effects no that.
Speaker 2:I think that would be a cool nice shot.
Speaker 1:Okay, um favorite spider suit, like you know, if you were to, I I phrase it as if you were gifted one that you had to wear. So, like, what's your favorite spidey suit, though, okay so um very untraditional uh-huh.
Speaker 2:There is a iteration of the comics where spider-man um becomes a member of the fantastic four okay and no member of the Fantastic Four wears a mask.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But he still doesn't want to give up his secret identity. Is this the paper bag, the Amazing Bag man?
Speaker 2:Oh, gosh he wears a Fantastic Four, like unitard, and he wears a bag on his head like a brown paper bag with like eye holes, and he's just known as the amazing bag man, and it is hilarious, like partly for the shock factor of like that guy can shoot webs, but he's wearing a brown what? So that would be amazing. Now, granted, if you play like any of the newer spider-man games, like a lot of newer games, you unlock a lot of different costumes and armors and stuff like there are a lot of cool ones tons of those, um, but that's an old school throwback.
Speaker 2:That would just be hilarious yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1:Great, not not an answer I expected at all, but love it all right, nick, let's go. One more question and then maybe we all right, sounds good. Uh, well, how about this? What?
Speaker 3:do you think, or who do you think, is the most underrated? Either villain or ally. Let's do both. How about that? First underrated villain and then, uh, underrated ally of spider-man?
Speaker 2:so underrated villain, um, I would say Chameleon. He has not really gotten any live action screen time but I mean he, kind of similar to like Mystique in X-Men, can morph into anybody. And some of the storylines that he's been in um at different parts he's been part of like the sinister six, which is like the six main baddies that spider-man fights, and they've changed characters in and out of who's in it. But like he's brilliant and he can manipulate situations, he can observe the people that he's imitating to be incredibly convincing. So I almost bought ahead of time. There's like like the chameleon action figure from the 90s cartoon comes with different heads, so like one is j jones jameson one is him as venom and he can impersonate anybody.
Speaker 2:Now I don't think's like I'd have to go back and double check. I don't think he gets the powers of the people he's impersonating. But if you want to just do a shock factor, like let's say, okay, I, as Chameleon, am going to become Spider-Man and then I'm going to go flip off a bunch of people and be like, oh yeah, the Daily Bugle sucks, man, they're horrible.
Speaker 1:So what J Jonah Jameson really thinks about him is to feed into that.
Speaker 2:Chameleon is such a cool character.
Speaker 3:I'm not familiar with Chameleon at all so there you go.
Speaker 2:Nobody really knows about it.
Speaker 1:Because he's been there the whole time. He was in the background.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm Chameleon, oh no time he was in the background. Maybe I'm chameleon, oh no. Um, now, most underrated ally. So I have been enthralled, especially more recent years, with venom, venom is your classic anti-hero and the venom symbiote is one that attaches to negative feelings, so like rage, jealousy, hatred, and any of us are susceptible to that. So, eddie Brock, the original Venom was in a really bad place and the Venom symbiote released itself from Darkseid.
Speaker 2:Spider-man Got that like 25 years ago and it fell onto Eddie Brock and the dichotomy of this good nature versus evil nature. That is almost like the yin and yang of Spider-Man and Venom. Like Venom. Unlike other symbiote villains like Carnage, venom has this very split sort of like I will kill people, but I do have a moral line. I'm not going to kill like recklessly, sure I still. I'm going to go after bad guys. And now he takes a much more, uh, violent approach than spider-man would. But there are comic iterations where they're working together.
Speaker 3:Uh like sometimes both of them will team up to be carnage and, um, venom is just, oh man so you're teaching me things here, because I didn't even know that there was like a version of venom that wasn't an enemy of spider-man, oh yeah and in a lot of introductions of his characters, like in the cartoon there you know he has that vengeance because he is eddie brock.
Speaker 2:His career, his life was was ruined because Peter Parker, when he was under the influence of the Venom symbiote Dark Suit Spider-Man, he called Eddie Brock out for doctoring a photo that Peter Parker had taken, and so Eddie Brock gets fired from his job, his girlfriend leaves him, he is destitute, everything sucks so he hates so that was pretty accurate to the to the portrayal oh yeah, spider-man 3, then they were pretty true to his story now
Speaker 2:oh, here we go we, we don't talk about that. Tom hardy amazing portrayal. We love tom. We don't like tover grace.
Speaker 3:It's like you did say that was the worst Spider-Man movie.
Speaker 2:It's like essentially, if you would have cast Dean Pelton as the Joker in Dark. Knight, it's essentially like that, like it's.
Speaker 1:I need that now actually Honestly. I mean actually Honestly, but it's.
Speaker 2:So the next tattoo that I want to get is there's this beautiful.
Speaker 3:Lego set no no.
Speaker 2:It's in the cartoon. There's this dream sequence where Peter Parker is trying to get rid of the dark suit the symbiote and so in this dream it's peter parker in the center, and then there's like this um, not attached to any human form, but the spider-man suit on one end and then the venom symbiote or like the symbiote suit on the other side, and they're both pulling okay at either arm, and it's this sort of good nature versus evil nature.
Speaker 2:Each suit is pulling one of his arms and he's in the middle and it's just this really, really cool portrayal of like we are so often pulled on each side and it's like we could be swayed through life circumstances, addictions, whatever is going on in our lives, and it is just this constant like pushing and pulling, and venom is such a cool antithesis, in some ways, of spider-man. But there's enough of good in him that he hasn't ever pushed so far that he's like reckless killing, like he's crazy when he, it's just him, but um as venom. But eddie brock still has enough of a moral conscious, uh, or conscience, to keep the craziness at bay yeah, um when, when spider-man has it, he becomes a really great dancer that is the silver lining to that movie.
Speaker 2:Man nico likes to push your butts.
Speaker 3:I think I love that well, we can go ahead and uh, and kind of come to the the end of spider-man. Here we're so thankful, uh, that joe came all the way from toledo to be with us. Uh, only just to be with us, right that?
Speaker 3:was nothing to do with my dad retiring and 65th birthday in town yeah, no, it was just for us, at least in my mind, but we're so thankful you came to talk to us about spider-man. Um, we're gonna go ahead and kind of bring us in. Let's let's tease the next episode, which for viewers will come two weeks from now, but for us we're actually going to record it, right after this it's gonna be great and we're really excited to talk uh, lord of the rings next.
Speaker 3:it's gonna be awesome, and we're to bring Annalise in on that that is, joe's wife and have a lot of fun. So that's going to be awesome.
Speaker 2:Can I do a quick shout out? Oh yeah, my ride or die Spider-Man friend, his DJ name was Parker an amazing man named Aaron Bond, who did radio stuff at the Naz for a little bit. Parker, you are my hero.
Speaker 3:Actually before for a little bit. Uh, parker, you are my hero actually, before we go, I, we did, I forgot I jumped to the teasing, the next episode, but we didn't talk about the next big thing in spider-man. So what's what's coming up, joe? What's the next big thing that's going to be happening with spider-man?
Speaker 2:so there's three things oh gosh, let's go currently, as of september, the newest Spider-Man minifig series is the Spider-Verse Lego minifig series is. Spider-verse, so you gotta get them all. There's not a bad one in the bunch.
Speaker 3:I love how this is your first one I don't know if I would have went with that as my first thing. I've been looking forward to this.
Speaker 2:I thought it was fake and then I was like this exists, I'm all in in. My wife is totally on board with me spending hundreds of dollars on getting every single one of these just off this camera making faces right now exactly
Speaker 1:you're serious um?
Speaker 2:but, perfect, well done have started recording um for the next spider verse movie I I can't remember what, beyond the spider verse, I think is what it's called.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, I am like after watching this I'm so excited like I need to know what's gonna happen next and then brand new day.
Speaker 2:Uh is going to be the next spider man movie with tom holland. Um, uh, there have been characters that are confirmed to be the next Spider-Man movie with Tom Holland. There have been characters that are confirmed to be in it. I don't want to give spoilers for anybody who wants to stay away from you know they want to see it fresh and stay away from spoilers.
Speaker 3:Oh, there you go. If you don't want to hear any spoilers, don't listen to what comes next, because I want to know, okay.
Speaker 2:So Daredevil and Punisher are both going to be next to Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool, jon Bernthal as Punisher is one of the best Marvel castings 100%, and so I'm super excited to see them interact. We already saw Daredevil in no Way Home. He, in some of the comics, has been a mentor to Peter, whereas Iron man had that role in the movies. Now it's a brand new day. Different characters are going to be interacting with Peter. I'm really excited.
Speaker 1:Awesome, joe. Thank you so much, appreciate your expertise again my pleasure one of our guests who I feel like I go on for hours, and hours, and we would love to, but like again, just thank you so much.
Speaker 3:We will, but now it's going to be about lord of the rings next, because joe is going to join us in taking the place of michael as we talk about of the.
Speaker 2:Rings. My wife's the pro though, so she'll get the platform. But yes, it has been my pleasure. Thank you so much, guys.
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